John and Yoko: USA surpasses all the genocide records

USA Surpasses all the genocide records!

USA surpasses all the genocide records!
Kublai Khan massacres 10% in near east
Spain Massacres 10% of American Indians
Joseph Stalin massacres 5% of Russians
Nazis Massacre 5% of occupied Europeans and 75% of European jews
USA massacres 6.5% of South Vietnamese & 75% of American Indians

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43 Responses to John and Yoko: USA surpasses all the genocide records

  1. Why are there no major talents doing today what John Lennon did during the Vietnam war era?

    Ah….money.

  2. Anonymous says:

    This is what I call “politically incorrect.” They’d like us to forget about the 20 million dead indians whose graves this country is built upon.

  3. fruitbythefoot says:

    agreed… we need more people like john lennon

  4. Lizzy says:

    nobody wants to get shot.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Imagine

    Imagine there’s no Heaven
    It’s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace

    You may say that I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world

    You may say that I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will live as one

    John Lennon

    Dottorino, Serbia

  6. Miljan Rajic says:

    Imagine

    Imagine there’s no Heaven
    It’s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace

    You may say that I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world

    You may say that I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will live as one

    John Lennon

    Dottorino, Serbia

  7. kensteve says:

    Sam Bluefeather apparently has a feather up his butt. However, he certainly has a wonderfully articulate way of stating his well-reasoned arguments. Thanks for your insight, Sam.

  8. Actually it was their lack of defense from simple diseases common to Europeans that killed off most of the Indians in North and South America, by far..

    Even the common cold..as is record..

    Still American has killed huge numbers in many wars and so called police actions..

    The Japanese killed Ten Million Chinese during their invasion and war in China during WWII..

    We still live in an era of Genocide such as Dufar, and elsewhere including..

    Man is barbaric and a doomed species..

    As Hegel said:

    “The one thing history teaches, is that man learns nothing from history..!”

  9. Dalton says:

    This is an example of skewed data. I’m sorry but there’s a bit of a difference between what the Nazi’s did to the European Jews and what Americans did to the American Indians.
    Also, where did this arbitrary percentage come from? Was there a census of American Indians that was taken before Americans began moving west? Did we count how many we killed and then count how many were left? It’s a nice picture but it’s skewed data all the same.

  10. The number of American Indians killed is generally estimated at 20 million. As for the percentages, I’m not sure how they arrived at 75%, and I’m pretty sure it would be too late to write.

  11. KJ says:

    some people seem to be missing the point, all the guy was saying is theres too much mass murder, or genecide. for what its worth, theres about a million other facts and percentages that could have been included, but thats generally aside the point. and as for “there needs to be more musicians like him” he was in a position where he could do that, and be noticed, theres alot of musicians who are activists, but generally most people dont care too much for them

  12. CL says:

    Dalton, dead is dead, where is the difference?

  13. Arthurus says:

    The only way the U. S. could be said to have killed 20 million Indians would be if one included the virgin field epidemics which ran rampant shortly after european arrival. They reportedly had mortality rates up to 90% of the population exposed. However, this started before there were even British colonies, let alone a United States. Most of the credit for the major die off west of the eastern seaboard in what is now the United States belongs to the Spanish. Also, if your’e counting plagues, 10% for the Spanish inside their territory is far, far too low. I’d concede that it might be correct for people deliberately killed, in which case, the figure for the United States is too high.

    Furthermore, presenting this in terms of unadorned percentages is unforgivably dishonest. Case in point, if you killed 100% of the population of the smallest town I’ve lived in, that would have been about 300 people. If you killed 1% of the population of the largest city I’ve lived in, about 60,000 people.

    Also the figures for the Nazi’s in Europe are interesting, As best I can 5% of the population of occupied Europe might have come out to be around 20-25 million people, a larger number than 75% of european jews.

  14. TS Looney says:

    Lets not forget about the indigenous tribes of Siberia(the forefathers of the American Indians); the Russians, starting with the Czars, wiped them off the planet and out of most of the history and anthropology books. The Russians should get a 100% on that one.

  15. Red Army says:

    TS Looney: did you ever read a book or at least a leaflet?

  16. Anonymous says:

    System of a Down are very outspoken. Even have charity representatives at their concerts to make people aware.

  17. Anonymous says:

    Yes, but System of a Down also believes the government possesses mind-controlling technologies.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Well they do. Fox News.

  19. Phoenix says:

    They kill or imprison any perceived threats to the matrix. lately, Hunter S. Thompson (murdered) and me (imprisoned for political reasons)

  20. ndugu says:

    does it really matter who killed more? i didnt know it was a competition. it seems pretty clear to me that all humans are capable of genocide. the real question is what do we do about it? the human response tragically seems to be to argue about the last one.

  21. Steven N. says:

    Its about time we wake up, stop depending on artists to do our social work for us. We ARE the system, and we can correct it. Lets get some unity here. We all hate death and war (well, those of us without big money), so lets get off our asses and change it.

  22. Alex says:

    I second what Steven N. said. I just read the comments and it’s just fighting. Enough arguing about who was worse, who started it, etc. Do we all agree that genocide is wrong? That killing is wrong?

    I agree also that we ARE the system. For example, it wasn’t robot soldiers in Vietnam that killed millions. It was us. Isn’t that reason to hope? Like Lennon is saying … WHEN more people are on the side of cooperation, sharing of resources, and above all pacifism … well these things will fade away.

    In fact, I think the evidence is that war and genocide *is* fading away, with smaller and smaller numbers of casualties each generation. Stay hopeful, people.

  23. John Bonner says:

    While I enjoy John Lennon and appreciate his stand during the Vietnam War, I often wonder why he chose to live in a country like the USA. He could have live in Belize, they didn’t hurt anyone.

  24. john robbins says:

    I learned early in life, that mans most ingenius inventions, are ways in wich to kill fellow men………..God save us all.

  25. next world president says:

    good thing no one kills anyone anymore……..

  26. eric says:

    I don’t think you could technically consider what the Americans did to the Indians as genocide. Genocide is typically defined as the willful extermination of a people. Native Americans were nearly exterminated by colonists and subsequently American’s actions, but there was never a stated agenda to simply eradicate all the natives. I’m not justifying what the Americans did on any level, but don’t call it what it wasn’t.

  27. Monika Eckhart says:

    Although we all agree (at least on this page) that killing people is bad, as is genocide. But, when people hear something they agree with, they tend to ignore the facts a little more, and focus more on the emotional impact that it has on people. I agree that the U.S is not innocent, but presenting the information in a way that skews the perspective people will have about the U.S is wrong. If you are going to make an argument to bolster your conclusion, then make it logical. John and Yoke, although well intentioned, are a little mislead by their outright hatred of war and their own, personal disapproval of the Vietnam War. This has caused them to, instead, undermine the very thing they are fighting against, which is using emotions rather than reason to solve a problem.

  28. says:

    We’re quibbling ove rthe little things here people. And because we get to do this in a manner and forum that counts for zip, we feel like we are taking back the power. It’s pretty good control. Give us nothing but the illusion we have some say over things we know nothing about. Welcome to the matrix.

  29. Anonymous says:

    hes a douche who had it comin for talkin so much shit believe the truth fuck the media and go outside

  30. I trust the irony of you taking the time to write that comment (anonymously and with no punctuation) on someone’s blog has completely escaped you. Please, lead us to the truth and help us get a life, so someday we may spend our time flaming anonymously and incomprehensibly in the comments section of random blogs like you do.

  31. Perry L says:

    Genocide was “Born in the USA” and exported to Germany and Russia. Now it is a Worldwide project of the elitist ruling class.

    Look up “the Eugenics movement” and you will find that the Rockefeller, Carnegie and Herriman families have supported “depopulation research” since the 1890′s…they were also BIG supporters of Adolph Hitler! The “project” is ongoing and even “progressive” environmentalists are calling for the culling of the herd to “save the planet”.

    Alex Jones (http://www.infowars.com) is releasing a movie this week called “Endgame” where he details the elitist depopulation plan. They “plan” on eliminating 80% of US.

  32. bullshit says:

    Fuck all this worshipping of John in Yoko! It’s nice they spoke out but don’t pretend they were activists who really made a difference. John didn’t speak out against Vietnam until the seventies, years after Dylan. ah…..money.

  33. Gina says:

    He died for his country.

  34. Anonymous says:

    PEACE!

  35. chiapet says:

    Anyone who lived through the Vietnam War knows the left in this county (including Lennon and Ono) were delusional. War is always bad, but they made it into a circus. I seriously dispute the stats on Stalin etc. cited by Ono as fact. If she doesn’t like America, who really gives a shit? She is a big fat zero.
    She made my husband and other veterans suffer. She should be ashamed and so should all of you.
    I have the facts in thousands of pictures taken during one year: 1968 and if she thinks that American young men were committing genocide, what does she call the slaughter that her own people brought on the world during WWII–she conveniently forgets the japanese invasion of China, etc.
    While the Beatles were feasting in India with Ravi, our young men were sleeping on the ground and eating out of cans to keep the Beatles’ asses free and able to make money. They are nothing but pigs.
    I loved the Beatles until they got so full of themselves they imploded. I cannot get over how many people worship this man and his self-centered lunacy. As far as I am concerned, he got what he asked for—violence.
    Live by the sword, die by it. Too bad that he stood for NOTHING!

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  37. Atheist_Mommy says:

    You go, chiapet: set them straight!

  38. Luis Zardo says:

    20 million indians?

    It´s simply impossible that there were such population, they´d have no means to keep it fed

  39. Flake says:

    reading these posts it’s clear no one has any facts that are trust worthy, so you were there in vietnam so you weren’t just perspectives versus perspectives… you don’t possess the facts, so John and Yoko used bogus facts in a media war to do something, not the perfect thing, just the thing they could do. Principles they had, not perfection. Principles that having been fucked over come to bite us in the arse again and again.

  40. Victor Blazhnov says:

    Я родился в России.В 12 лет я увидел в школьном учебнике фотографию
    индейского вождя сиу.Внимательнно рассматривая -я ощутил как
    в меня вошел непонятный добрый огонь!Он и сейчас живет в моем сердце!
    Так я в радости стал индейцем и не поверите; Дух Маниту покровительствует
    мне всю жизнь!!!Люди ко мне тянутся с неимоверной силой ,что бы только
    побыть со мною рядом.Я благодарен Судьбе!
    Геноцид в США состоялся,факты.Но почему на это закрывал глаза
    европейский континент???

  41. Victor Blazhnov says:

    was born in Rossii.V 12 years old I saw a school textbook picture
    Indian chief looking siu.Vnimatelnno-I felt like
    I went to a good weird fire! He now lives in my heart!
    So I’m pleased to be Indian and will not believe the Spirit of Manitou protector
    my whole life! People are drawn to me with incredible force, that would only
    stay with me ryadom.Ya grateful!
    Genocide in the USA took place, fakty.No why it turned a blind eye
    European continent??

  42. n modern times, thanks to the U.S. government, headed by Obama,
    Native American Indians are blagordnoe respect and
    economic support! Praise Obama! Glory USA!
    My son Vitaly BLAZHNOV, a student programmer University of Russia,
    is currently in the United States to exchange experiences.
    At first I was really worried for him, but in vain. U.S. residents
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    I thank Obama and the U.S. government!
    Victor BLAZHNOV,
    creator of music and history teacher.

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